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any animal human or non human, in the name

of impulse, greed, need, interest, or personal choice.

J. B. Suconik

 

 

 

Thesis & Antithesis

 

 OPINION By Stuart W. Cl. Derbyshire

  Rebuttal By Jack B. Suconik

  Time to Abandon the Three Rs

   

Stuart Derbyshire is a senior lecturer in psychology at the University of Birmingham. sderbyshire@the-scientist.com


Derbyshire
   Submitting to "refinement, reduction, and replacement risks the future of animal research

Suconik
  Only as currently practiced in vivisection, and testing laboratories.

Derbyshire
  The best hopes to treat or cure any number of diseases all rely on current animal experiments.

Suconik
  A subjective vague unverifiable opinion that may reveal the reason that so many people die from intractable maladies  every day.   

Derbyshire
  Like all science, the investigations that scientists perform with animals increase our knowledge of nature and can therefore increase the possibilities for human action, advancing the cause of human freedom.

Suconik
  A cryptic statement made false by the omission of the word sometimes, and inclusion of the words “human freedom.”

Derbyshire
  So why do scientists persist in denigrating their own behavior by advocating the three Rs: refinement, reduction, and replacement?

  In the United Kingdom . since the passage of the 1986 Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act, researchers must obtain a license from the home Office, which involves an assessment of the invasiveness of the study and the species used. following the principles of the three Rs.

  Invariably. licensing will require considerable justification for any procedures that involve distressing the animal, and considerable pressure will he applied for the use of fewer animals, and from further down the phylogenetic tree (such as using rats rather than primates). Although legislation is less stringent in the United States, in practice the three Rs are still enforced by Institutional Animal Care and Use Committees, which voluntarily assess any proposed research with respect to the three Rs and provide assurance to grant-awarding bodies that the research is animal welfare- friendly.

  Through a variety of voluntary and enforced mechanisms, therefore, animal researchers pledge to uphold the three Rs. At first blush, that seems reasonable, if somewhat patronizing.

  All animal experimenters have an incentive to reduce the amount of stress an animal is subjected to— through refinement— because a stressed animal will be less likely to behave or respond normally and might therefore skew results. Equally, all researchers will naturally tend to use fewer or less-costly animals or techniques— through reduction and replacement— in order to get quicker results for fewer resources.

  Suconik
  Such generalizing doesn't square with the history of vivisection. "All animal experimenters” have not displayed any such ‘‘incentive’’ to reduce the amount of stress an animal is subjected to,’’ to speak in terms of “all” in this context is very unscientific chatter. The word “incentive” does not mean “all animal experimenters are determined to reduce the amount of stress an animal is subjected to, as history demonstrates so vividly.

  Derbyshire
  The three Rs. however, are much worse than patronizing : they are disastrous. They draw attention away from the value of experimentation and toward the importance of animal welfare.

  Suconik
  Disastrous from a Derbyshire point of view, but not the perspectives of millions of people free of the slave holders disposition, and rationale.

 Derbyshire
  By extension, animal experimentation will he looked upon negatively because no animal experiment is in the interests of animal welfare.

  Suconik  
  Not True; some experiments have been performed in the interest of  the animal kingdom.

 Derbyshire
  Adoption of the three Rs comes across as a confession of guilt. The impression is that research animals are a necessary evil, when in fact t
hey are just necessary.

  Suconik
  A subjective opinion that can’t be verified.

 Derbyshire
  The three Rs also raise false expectation that animals will eventually he replaced as experimental test subjects. which is highly unlikely.

  Suconik
  A subjective statement that reflects the authors wishes that  can not be verified.

  Derbyshire
  Last year, in the United Kingdom alone, 2.85 million scientific tests on animals were performed. More, not less, animal research will likely he required to investigate burgeoning models of genetic disease.

  Suconik

  Another speculative statement that reflects the authors wishes. Did the many of millions of tests conducted world wide result in a cure for cancer or aids or the common cold? And if they did can it signify that there was no other way but the torture and killing of animals.

Derbyshire
  Ultimately , we cannot have it both ways. It is not possible to advocate animal welfare and at the same time give animals untested drugs or diseases, or slice them open to test a new surgical procedure.

  Suconik
  The alleged “not possible” is not a reality, to "give animals untested drugs or diseases, or slice them open to test a new surgical procedure" does not militate against the desire for, and advcoation   for an end of barbarism.

 Derbyshire
  The three Rs encourages a focus on animal welfare that is both unrealistic and dishonest.

 Suconik

  To value, and advocate a less harmful more humane possibility of functioning in the vivisection and testing lab is not unrealistic or dishonest. It is inevitable and the stuff of decency in the quest for justice.  

 Derbyshire
  Regardless of any beliefs about the value of animals. if you engage in activities that are invasive or lethal to animals or if you control their reproduction, their living space and their habits, you are expressing a de facto belief that animals are sufficiently different from humans to make such activities justifiable.  

 Suconik
  This apparently is one, if not the primary reason to make such "activities" justifiable to some people. "Sufficiently different" is an ancient criterion to justify persecution torture and slaughter. It was the same yardstick responsible for the misery and death of millions of Jews, Gypsies, and other different people in Nazi Germany. But there should be no such criterion to justify  mayhem to living beings, human or non human. It seems to me that  every event has a cause, and that "sufficiently different" has been a 'cause' (or formula) for misery, pain, and violent death to which we have become habituated since the beginning of our bloody history. But liberation from such habituation seems to be inevitable because of the large segment of humanity not afflicted with the 'sufficiently different' rationalization.

Derbyshire
  Scientists are keen to defend themselves against accusations of cruelty by promoting their allegiance to the three Rs but forget that the real reason for animal experimentation is to advance the welfare and understanding of humanity. Advancing human understanding requires the freedom to do more animal research, and often with higher species, and is incompatible with continued support for the three Rs.

Suconik 
  "To advance the welfare and understanding of humanity” is a worthy concept with which this writer concurs. It is with the alleged means in this context that is unacceptable to a large segment of humanity because of  the inevitable cruelties of the experimenters knives, hammers, saws, fire, and other instruments of torture which must include a life of confinement behind bars. Would we sanction such barbarism on white or black human animals? We have to a degree on various occasions, but it was not acceptable as routine practice  because human animals were not  'sufficiently different.' Human history is a catalogue of bloody disasters caused by the 'sufficiently different' rationale which in the age of city destroying weapons is a very dangerous idea. Universal repudiation of the "sufficiently different" rationalization, and resultant effects, would be but a step toward a new morality that may save us, as well as non human animals from ourselves.

Derbyshire
  Those of us who research on animals or support that research have made a moral choice to put humans first. We should behave and argue with a conviction that is worthy of the choice
.

Suconik
  We do, as a matter of fact put ourselves, families, friends, and nations, first, and we should, but when such classification entails the suffering and violent death of others that are of no threat to ourselves, human or non human, rationalization can not make it right.

Derbyshire
  Animal experimentation is a positive activity that advances our appreciation of nature and disease. and defending animal research should he part of a moral campaign that celebrates human knowledge and understanding.

Suconik
  Animal experimentation is the infliction of torture, suffering and death on animals a ghoulish activity alleged benefits notwithstanding. And will, I believe, if morality prevails, be universally prohibited.

Derbyshire 
  Simultaneouslv advocating animal research while trying to apologize and introduce alternatives is a poor defense of animal experimentation. Successful promotion of animal research can only happen when we withdraw support for the three Rs.

Suconik
  Such self serving reasoning is to be expected in a world that produced a plethora of Hitlers that perceived the suffering and death of others as the means to their opportunism. Variations of such reasoning provides the rationale for the unrelieved suffering and death of billions of animals by vivisection, testing laboratories, and a host of other bloody assaults, which is justice defiled as these words are written. Hope for change lies in the fact that most rational people value justice, and justice Is blind, applicable to any animal, human or non human.  

                                        J. B. Suconik

 

 

 

 

 

 

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